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					<title>Depop’s dirty little secret</title>
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							<![CDATA[<p><strong>Poppy Sowerby</strong> is an <em>UnHerd</em> columnist.</p>
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								<![CDATA[<p>Hell is empty, and all the devils are on Depop. Long have second-hand clothes-selling apps and websites played host to the worst human impulses, stuffed to the gills with scammers, cheapskates and cheeky upsellers shifting Primark tank tops for $20. It is the land of huns: the lingua franca is median-average babery, punctuated by kisses, heart emojis and weapons-grade passive aggression. It can get nasty, as any devotee of the Instagram account <a href="https://www.instagram.com/dmdrama/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener">DM Drama</a> knows: few are above snapping &#8220;not being funny but you’re a tramp&#8221;, and death threats, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C7l1x7ioA4W/?hl=en&amp;img_index=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener">trolls</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DA9HFNDoBrl/?hl=en&amp;img_index=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener">amateur bakers</a> abound. So far, so familiar.</p>
<p>But there is another contingent. A friend — a prolific Vinted seller who makes a considerable side income there, and so is accustomed to the usual cranks — reports that something has changed in recent months. She’s been getting messages from a new sort of prospective buyer, one with encrypted names and faceless profiles. One that requires lots of provenance, lots of pictures: <em>how many times have you worn this? Have you washed it? I don’t mind if not, actually I prefer it. </em>One who makes strange requests, hunting for mirror selfies of skimpy Nike Pro shorts; one who asks how &#8220;good&#8221; items smell. That’s right: the pornsick men have arrived.</p>
<p>Paraphilia seeping into mainstream internet culture is nothing new. Wherever there are feet, knickers or even <a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/accidental-nude-photos-reflected-in-objects-people-were-selling-on-ebay/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">mirrors</a>, fetishists will follow; mostly, people (<a href="https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/mental-health-disorders/paraphilias-and-paraphilic-disorders/overview-of-paraphilias-and-paraphilic-disorders" target="_blank" rel="noopener">men</a>) with these predilections are viewed with wry mockery, seen as quirky, basement-bound inevitabilities contained within a generally harmless digital subculture. Some women have long profited from these men’s requests: I have read confession threads from those who sell counterfeit &#8220;used underwear&#8221; (I will keep the pungent, pantry-sourced concoction one woman used on the gusset a trade secret). Their operations involve production lines of bulk-bought cheap lace thongs flogged at $50 a pop, sent off to a hive of priapic patrons whose purchasing power, and willingness to spend on getting off, sees them through university.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/04/virginia-giuffre-imperfect-victim/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/04/virginia-giuffre-imperfect-victim/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://stage.unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Screenshot-2025-04-29-at-11.05.22.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/04/virginia-giuffre-imperfect-victim/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">More from this author</span></a><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/04/virginia-giuffre-imperfect-victim/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>Virginia Giuffre: imperfect victim</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/04/virginia-giuffre-imperfect-victim/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Poppy Sowerby</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>This sort of transaction is the acceptable face of prostitution: remote, semi-anonymous and putatively safe. Selling pants online crystallises the new pornography/prostitution nexus: here, the canny content creators of OnlyFans trade in fantasies rather than services, with physical totems offered as added extras. You may recall &#8220;gamer girl&#8221; influencer Belle Delphine’s <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/12/belle-delphine-gamer-girl-instagram-selling-bath-wate" target="_blank" rel="noopener">bathwater stunt</a>, in which the 19-year-old offered the jars for $30 each; they quickly sold out, and she made $90,000. That was in 2019; at the time, it provoked outrage — a young woman monetising the infinite horniness of internet nerds was an uncomfortable spectacle. In the years since, OnlyFans and its depressing philosophy has exploded: sex-selling has become casualised, with managing a fetish account becoming about as remarkable as having any other social-media platform. It is no longer shocking, shameful or embarrassing to be in the dirty knickers game; on the contrary, liberal feminism deems you empowered and entrepreneurial for hawking pants to pervs. Clearly, this is a tragedy which dupes women into their own oppression — but is there something else at play?</p>
<p>I am a porn doomer. Pornography has always existed and will always exist — but something has shifted in its ubiquity and extremity. Its proliferation is making men weirder, training them to desire and demand the satisfaction of offputting paraphilias (such is the arms-race model of algorithms) and making them much worse in bed. It is causing them to expect extreme acts of pain or humiliation; it is normalizing the entitlement to degrade women in ways which, a mere decade or two ago, would have seen them dumped and blocked. Perhaps worst of all, it dissolves the very necessary boundaries between the sexual and the non-sexual — boundaries created not by feminism but by older social codes of propriety — in the name of self-expression. Liberal feminism and the pornography lobby (funny how those two are so often in cahoots) both tout identity and desire as the inviolable markers of being “free”: denial of impulse, sacrifice, restraint and rationality are the enemies of each. So it is that if a man shouldn’t be shamed for drooling over Evri orders of soiled underwear, a woman shouldn’t be shamed for posting them. Here’s why they should be shamed.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/02/how-onlyfans-broke-lily-phillips/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/02/how-onlyfans-broke-lily-phillips/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://stage.unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Screenshot-2025-02-13-at-11.20.39.png?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/02/how-onlyfans-broke-lily-phillips/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/02/how-onlyfans-broke-lily-phillips/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>The dirty truth about the OnlyFans economy</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://stage.unherd.com/2025/02/how-onlyfans-broke-lily-phillips/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Sarah Ditum</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>Mainstream feminism over the past few decades has flogged to death the concept of “objectification”; this rich conceptual seam has been overmined to the point where we no longer consider the connotations of <em>becoming an object</em>, of being reduced to body parts like those of animals sold at market. The purchasing of trinkets from sexy girls online — buying their pants, their sweaty tops, their shoes — is an interesting literalization of this concept: a buying of bodies at one remove, a 21st-century echo of a much older, grimmer trade.</p>
<p>The boundaries of public, sexless and restrained versus intimate, erotic and impulsive are crumbling. Men asking unknowing young women on Depop and Vinted for sexual content and objects — also known as “fetish mining” — represents this process of social breakdown: such behavior can only emerge from a sexual culture which preaches that we are all, always, entitled to arousal. Because of the saturation of internet culture in pornography, other more covert, extreme or high-risk subjects of arousal gain cachet; masquerading as common-or-garden Vinted users buys access to women’s wardrobes, glimpses of their bedrooms in mirrors, even scents of their bodies. Here women will treat you nicely, with the camaraderie of a nightclub toilet, unsuspecting of your secret intentions. It might seem bizarre that considering the availability of pornography, men are still doing this: but the risk and the sense of violation is precisely the point.</p>
<div class="su-pullquote su-pullquote-align-left">“It might seem bizarre that considering the availability of pornography, men are still doing this: but the risk and the sense of violation is precisely the point.”</div>
<p>The writer Brook Urick recently appeared on Louise Perry’s <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/diary-of-a-sugar-baby-brook-urick-maiden/id1671451793?i=1000699993809" target="_blank" rel="noopener">podcast</a>; she had both been a “sugarbaby” and had worked for the sugardaddy dating website Seeking Arrangements. Clearly, there is a greater degree of mutuality in such an arrangement than in unsolicited sexual messages on a clothes-selling platform; nevertheless a revelation from that episode had broader resonances here. Urick suggested that the male users exploited young women’s naïveté about the sex industry: many believed in the website’s self-promoted status as a dating platform and not a prostitution site, and many were convinced that they would not have to sleep with or even touch the older men who hired them — and that they’d be whisked away to Aruba or Cabo to boot. They believed in marketing which told them they could get something for nothing. Many were, inevitably, convinced to <em>negotiate</em> on these boundaries; many were fleeced, some were raped. The point, Urick said, was the deception: the men enjoyed not just the company of attractive young women but the attrition of their boundaries. The girls, many of them “nice” college students — not the wily, experienced prostitutes also available to the men — were more attractive prospects because they were vulnerable to beguilement: half of the gratification lay in their naïveté. Now look to the villains of Vinted. They mine at risk of recriminations or being reported for the same reason: the discomfort, the sense of transgression and risk, the snare. Availability breeds boredom, so true transgression comes at a premium.</p>
<p>As ever, the midwives of this predicament are our tech overlords, who have little incentive to implement proper safeguarding. At the breakneck pace of porn advancement — inevitably among the first industries to be enhanced by AI, VR and other new technologies — wanting to whiff smelly socks seems almost quaint, old-timey. It seems to belong to a less sinister and more predictable low-tech sexual era, the horrors of which have long been surpassed: I suspect it is for this same reason that the singer Chappell Roan appeared on <em>Ru Paul’s Drag Race </em>last week dressed as a <a href="https://x.com/BuzzingPop/status/1918021257657798779" target="_blank" rel="noopener">blow-up doll</a>. What was viewed decades ago as manifestly anti-feminist and humiliating becomes a joke in the present world of hyperrealistic silicone models and deepfakes. But this is about more than clothes, more than bodies, more even than the problem of the sex trade: it is about the premium placed on violation, and the way liberalism has reframed coercion as self-expression. Pornography and fetish culture have been around forever: what is new is how they ooze into the everyday, becoming inescapable if you simply happen to be a woman. What these grotty messages amount to is a bigger moral question for our time, one that feminism must stand up to: why must I participate in your fantasy?</p>
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